get after barack obama. he voted against it. get after the entire joint chiefs of staff at the time. there were all against the surge . and you can make the case that the surge worked in a tactical way. still hasn't worked in its ultimate, strategic objectives for reasons that i discussed. and in the meantime it did cost a lot of money and probably, you know, i thousand extra american soldiers died in the implementation of that surge. was the work that? i don't know. i don't know. we don't know yet. but it is not -- it is not a clear-cut fact that the surge worked and we won and that sort of thing. as for the jewish lobby question , you know, let's get real. the israeli press -- i'm jewish. the israeli press refers to apec as the jewish lobby. it's a little -- a pack has had this thing going for years where anybody who criticizes israel, oh, well, you are anti-semitic. you're really talking about jews, not talking about is real. so if somebody says, okay, the jewish lobby then they say, no, you are anti-semitic because you calle